Fuck No Greg Fultz

Blog post saying to support Greg Fultz because this is about Father’s Rights

http://religionnewsblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/anti-abortion-billboard-mens-rights.html


Do you agree with this statement on this blog?

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"So, while clearly the billboard was done in the spirit of revenge and  personal humiliation (which the abortionista clearly deserves for her  crime of infanticide), in the end, the case is still about men’s rights  and the attempt to equalize the legal system.    Fultz deserves our  support. "

Hell no. I’ve already made my stance on the concept of men’s rights/father’s rights pretty clear already and even if I did buy into necessity of MRAs, I wouldn’t support Fultz if bees were stinging my eyelids.

Anonymous asked: The support Nani facebook page is now gone. Do you know what happened with it? Did Greg get all butthurt and report it a bunch of times?

No, I don’t know! It wasn’t a group I started, unfortunately. I hope it didn’t cause more problems for Nani.

Anonymous asked: What is the deal with his court appearance? Does anyone know?

For now, Greg A. Fultz’s anti-abortion billboard will remain posted on White Sands Boulevard. That could change if 12th Judicial District Judge James W. Counts signs a recommendation forcing Fultz to remove it.

http://www.alamogordonews.com/ci_18309266


It sounds like there’s still a possibility it can be ordered down but it doesn’t say when Judge Counts is reviewing the case, unfortunately.

Also, this:

"They can’t squash my free speech just because they don’t like what I am saying," he said. "Sure I can get online and talk all I want but I don’t specifically say her name. I am telling my story. There was an ex-girlfriend. We had issues. It’s my right to talk about it. It’s just not her privacy but I am a part of that privacy. For my privacy right, I have a right to share my privacy. I have never stated that she has had an abortion as fact. I have always said I believe that it is abortion. I am entitled to my beliefs as long as I don’t state it as fact or truth."

Blergh.


Anonymous asked: Some friends and I are trying to start a protest group that will be at the courthouse before the hearing on the 17th. The hearing starts at 8:15, so maybe 7:45 would be good. We will be protesting the fact that Judge Counts has not signed the Order forcing the sign to come down. Would you be willing to post this on your blog? It would really be appreciated.

Sure. Good luck with your protest!

http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/awareness.html

http://www.fact.on.ca/

http://www.fathers-resources.com/FreeResources/News/tabid/512/Default.aspx

http://www.canlaw.com/rights/menright.htm

I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing a lot of misogynistic language in there about women ‘entrapping’ men into fatherhood, or research about men being abused by women ( ignoring that while men are victims of physical and sexual abuse, it’s more often at the hands of other men than women), and yes, stating that men’s rights should trump a woman’s decision with regards to her own body and abortion or pregnancy.  In any case, this is where you point out how these are not true father’s/men’s rights movements, and only true father’s rights movements believe X, and we get all cosy in our No True Scotsman tent, even though I would wager a lot more groups believe in controlling women’s bodies than you seem to think - they’ve just learned it’s not politic to come right out and say it.”

Okay, nowhere in those links did I see anything about “we need more rights to keep women from aborting our kids.”  How dare men (who’ve been the perennial losers in custody cases) actually *want* to raise kids!  The gall!  And, yes, there are women who “entrap” men by getting pregnant just like there are idiots who convince women they’re sterile in order to impregnate the woman.  

I do appreciate you telling me what my next points will be.  Saves me from thinking.  Just a dumb, ol’ man I am anyway, right?  Except you’re wrong in the points I’ll be making.  Oh, no!  How can that be?

Quite honestly those sites (obviously I didn’t read every last word of every page but I gave them a pretty good looking-over) were no more misogynistic than your tone here was misandrinistic.

I could bring up many cases of men being abused my women (granted it’s usually emotional but it can be physical as well) but that would be pointed out as a vast minority.

I would still wager that any group for fathers’ rights who wants to control a woman’s body is really, at the core, mainly a Pro-Life group.  The fathers’ rights groups I speak of have fathers’ rights as their primary focus.  The only time I’ve seen those groups talk about abortion and such is to say that it emotionally effects those of us who actually love our kids (as does miscarriage or an unfortunate bike accident when the child is ten).  But saying “Hey, men hurt and may need to talk to someone” is a far cry from saying “You can’t have an abortion because the father wants the kid.”

Basically, my point is still valid:  Greg Fultz has not started an organization interested in fathers’ rights because he’s worried about what’s happening *before* birth.  Fathers need more rights *after* birth.

This is probably a waste of all this typing because you can no more change the mind of a misandrist than you can do so with a misogynist but it was at least cathartic for me and I have other venues I can place it (in context even).  

Oh well, if I’m being misandrist.

Heavens. Do you believe in reverse-racism too?

Agreed. What the father’s rights movement is really asking for is to put their wishes above those of the women and place them in danger (not just because pregnancy is medically dangerous to many women, but women who are pregnant are at higher risk of violence as well).  It’s another way to control women.”

No, no and, um, well, no.  The *true* fathers’ rights movement is trying to get fathers more rights with kids who are already born.  I don’t know of any legit fathers’ rights organization which is trying to control a woman during pregnancy.  If you can provide me info on one or more of those organizations which are I will gladly read up on them.

http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/awareness.html

http://www.fact.on.ca/

http://www.fathers-resources.com/FreeResources/News/tabid/512/Default.aspx

http://www.canlaw.com/rights/menright.htm

I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing a lot of misogynistic language in there about women ‘entrapping’ men into fatherhood, or research about men being abused by women ( ignoring that while men are victims of physical and sexual abuse, it’s more often at the hands of other men than women), and yes, stating that men’s rights should trump a woman’s decision with regards to her own body and abortion or pregnancy.  In any case, this is where you point out how these are not true father’s/men’s rights movements, and only true father’s rights movements believe X, and we get all cosy in our No True Scotsman tent, even though I would wager a lot more groups believe in controlling women’s bodies than you seem to think - they’ve just learned it’s not politic to come right out and say it.

Anonymous asked: On your comment to my link.

"people who say things like “it’s nine months, not the end of the world” are such shits, I can’t even cope. No one gets the right to use my body for nine minutes, nine days or nine months - no matter if they’re a fetus or a full-grown man - unless I consent to it. That goes for all women. The end.
"

Those people who are making comments like that have probably never had a serious medical condition or gone though a difficult pregnancy.

SOME pregnancies can become life threatening, some can create lasting medical issues. I have miscarried several times, I had to be induced with my precious daughter and thankfully she was okay but 24 hours after I had her I had respiratory issues and almost lost my life. I never had medical issues before and NOW I do.
As much as I would love to have another precious baby I will not be putting my body through a pregnancy (I miscarried again last year) when I know it will have serious complications for my health.
Those who make these type of comments are ignorant of what can happen to a woman's body in nine months.

Agreed. What the father’s rights movement is really asking for is to put their wishes above those of the women and place them in danger (not just because pregnancy is medically dangerous to many women, but women who are pregnant are at higher risk of violence as well).  It’s another way to control women.